I just wanted to add that my previous post was in no way meant to insult or flame anyone or anything, but simly to bring across the sheer level of frustration that most Windows uers have when face with the choice of staying with M$ or diving over to Linux.
I am more than willing, ready, and able, to toss Windows and every M$ anything off my hard drive. The problem is, at least at the moment, unless a maracle happens, I can't.
I simply do not have the knowhow for working around complex command line interefaces, and following complex steps that might work or might not, not only depending on if i'm using Linux or not, but on which build or version of Linux i'm using.
So yeah, find a way to make it easy, full of pretty graphics, and no command line efforts needed, and i'm all about giving it a try. Until then, much like many users, i'll be using Windws.
Wow....is all I can say
I have to admit, I myself have been impressed with the impressive growth and change i've seen with the Linux community over the past few years.
Being a long time Windows user, I remember a time when I was like, "What the heck is a Redhat?" all too clearly.
Unfortunately it seems that at least a few companies involved in the Linux world have sadly followed a very Microsoft like change in behavior and gone for the almighty dollar of profit. SuSE being one prime example, you can't even get a copy of their full distribution of Linux without paying them directly for it. Are the days of being able to download full Linux distro's via FTP becoming a thing of the past? I have to admit that I worry that might happen.
I understand and see the value of promoting free software for easy use and access on Windows. Afterall, it is the default standard that most everyone with real computer experience is used to dealing with.
However, there comes a problem with that as well. How do the creators of free and totally open software on a Windows platform compete? I honestly don't know the answer to that. I've spent a lot of time looking all over the net, and sure i've found a few freeware or open source CD/DVD burning applications, but not one comes even remotely close to offering all the various features and capability offered by Nero or Easy CD/DVD Media creator. So, is that what we are stuck with if we go the route of free software on Windows? Stuck with getting software that is free, and that provides source, but that has such limited functionality that people who want or need to use software of its type are stuck having no choice but to use the big commercial applications anyways?
Try it, look anywhere on the net, see if you can find a open source CD/DVD creating software that works on Windows, that offers not only the ability to burn but also encode, and create menus for VCD/SVCD/Photo-Cd's. Also try finding in that application the ability to create your own CD labels that you can customize from a huge number of templates, and even download duplicates to the original CD or DVD movie labels. Try then also finding the ability to burn audio CD's, MP3 CD's, bootable CD's/DVD's, and mixed content CD's/DVD's. Software like that just doesn't exist. Sure, you can find a few apps that put together make some attempt to offer all that, but even all put together, the big commerical apps still offer more in comparison.
Open office, as another example, doesn't offer near the amount of useable templates or clip art, animations, etc. that are all easily there for use in Microsoft Office.
Sure M$ Office is bloated, and its a huge system and resource hog, and a lot of times it doesn't work right, Nero is the same. But, you need to realize that not every person who uses a computer is a programmer living in his parent's basement who wants the leanest slickest thing that runs pure command line with a variety of codes and switches that it would take a translator to explain in plain english. Most computer users are like me, we don't like the bugs, the crashing, the incompatability, and resouces consuming of the huge retail apps, but we have little if any knowledge, training, or skill for working non GUI applications, especially those that require an extensive knowledge of command line coding just to install in the first place.
We might not admit it, even those who have taken the plunge to Linux, but it's the simple truth. We like our pretty fancy graphics, we like our easy point and click, we like our ability to do everything we'd want all in one single application. We don't like pure text command lines and confusing codes and switches. We don't like having to import and export between 5 different applications to get one thing done that we could do in a single application of the big commercial releases.
You need to realize a new generation is out there. A lot of your brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and even parents are growing up in a computer world where DOS doesn't exist, and where learning DOS or learning any sort of command line functions are simply not part of any computer learning or practice that exists nearly anywhere at all anymore.
If you grew up using DOS, or grew up with DOS still around and worked with it in and out of Windows that is one thing. Most new computer users have never even seen, much less used a DOS prompt. So expecting and huge likelyhood for them to throw away Windows and dive into having learn complex Unix commands, is an expectation that will never ammount to anything or get you anywhere.
I myself admit, I despise Microsoft, I do not like their practices or activities. I really dislike using their oppurating systems. I would love to erase everything having anything to do with them from my computer and go to using Linux. However, will I? Can I? That question remains to be seen.
First of all, I don't like messing with command lines, and from what i've seen, a variety of Linux distrobutions can't even install Nvidea video card drivers without messing with complex coding to make them install, much less work. Likewise, I'm a gamer. Sure Wine and Cedega have made huge progress, and throw in DosBox, and your doing pretty decent on compatability. Yet, all 3 together are a complicated pain to setup properly, and they all 3 together still lack a good amount of support for what a huge amount of gamers want. The ability to run not DOS games and not the latest greatest top of the line releases like DOOM 3, but the ability to easily install, setup, run, and use games from the Windows 9.x era. Thats where the buck stops. Sorry bout the luck there. No matter how good DOSbox does at emulating DOS, it has no ability to emulate the 9.x Windows sytem. Sure Direct X support via Cedega is nice, but nearly any game that expects 9.x Windows to be there, in addition to Direct X, simply will not install or run on any variety or version of Linux, or if they are somehow possibly able to work, they simply won't work without a huge complicated pain in the rear end to install and use.
The concept of a simple icon on your desktop, you click, type in a few answers like your name and serial number, then it installs, adds all the entries needed to a system, sets itself up to work exactly as it needs to, then leaves you free to just click another icon, open it, use it, save it, and go on to something else, seems a bit alien to the world of Linux. Until that is there, people will keep using Windows even if they grow to despise the ground that Bill Gates walks on, they will still use it.
Now, if it is somehow managed to get a free, and open source office suite out there that yes, OFFERS EVERY LAST BIT of bloat that you get in M$ Office, but installs easily, and can easily switch back and forth from one application to the next, has no complicated setup WHATSOEVER, and offers full support for easily accessed document templates and an insanely huge database of clipart, animation, and graphics.....and it becomes possible to not only install but also play any DOS/Windows 9.x game ever relased.....and you can find a media creation software that is every bit as huge, bloated, resource hogging, and full of nice pretty graphics as Nero 6 Ultra Edition....that offers every single function that it offers, all from the same application....on Linux....then Linux will start to win people over in a massive scale.
The trick though, is the to offer every last bit of that without a single end user even having to look at a command line once. The instant end users have to learn some foreign language of codes, scripts, commands, switches, and whatever else is the instant you lose them.
Sure, to a super user that can talk Unix and Dos code in his sleep, that is slow, its buggy, its laggy, its inefficient, and its really a poor way to work a computer. Most home end users are not superusers, despite what we might think or claim. Our needs have to be me in what we want and expect out of an oppurating system, otherwise, we'll keep blinding using Windows, no matter how much we don't like it.
I'm right here. I'm waiting. I'm also more than willing to listen, read, and learn. I'll even openly admit to the hardware in my system if needs be.
I just need one Linux user, just one, that can help me find a distribution of Linux I can get that is actually FREE to get a copy of, hence what FREE software is supposed to be, I.E. I don't have to pay a penny to get a copy of it to anyone, that I can get installed onto my computer, get all my devices to work properly with it, including my cable internet connection. Then be able to help me setup DosBox, Cedega, Wine and whatever else is necessary for at least a good number of my games to work, and can do it all without me even having to look at a command line even once....then i'll gladly be a full time supporter and user of Linux. Until then, as much as I hate using Windows, XP is staying right where it is on my hard drive, as is MS Office, Nero 6 Ultra edition, etc.
So i'm waiting? Anyone up for the challenge of proving that it can be done to win me, the average, non-super user, end home user, over to Linux? Message me online sometime, and show me how it can be done, i'm willing, ready, and able to toss Windows, but it has to be easy, no command line messing or code learning, and full of nice pretty looking GUI goodness. Otherwise XP is where i'm staying, like most people.