Re: Rant, indeed.
As far as companies are concerned:
1) Until the tech next day arrives, your company will propably have lost $$$$$$
2) Your company has already paid $$$$$$ for some kewl proprierary systems and their OS.
That doesn't mean I endorse using linux in a corporate environment. I just say "that's the situation, do as you please"
As far as home users are concerned:
1) If I DO see someone that is willing to explore, "hack' around his system, is patient and stuborn (maybe the true meaning of hacker), be very confident that I WILL tell him to go for Linux
Re: Excellent Article!
> Well when you go to read a how-to and it
> says something like "patch the file" or
> "set the file permissions appropriately"
> or "just remake the project" - us
> newby's can READ what it is saying and
> maybe I am just stupid but what exactly
> does "set the file permissions
> appropriately" mean exactly?
Obviously, this is a very badly written HOW-TO
Here is your chance to help the Linux community:
Contact the author and tell him what you think :-)
> These are things that you Linux Guru's
> take for granted after years of
> experience. These are the types of
> things that makes it nearly impossible
> for someone like myself to get on board
> without a helping hand from people like
Where do you think all the gurus started from?
Plain frustrtion and endless nights...
Personally, I started back in '95, when there
were NO how-to's, no kde, no no no etc.
But there was man. man rules. use it. :-)
and...explore. all the time.
> I imagine most of you had someone
> to help you along whether it was a UNIX
> course you took in school or a friend
> that helped you when you got stuck, etc.
> Maybe not, maybe some of you just spent
> the 5trillion hours of reading required
> just to figure out how to patch a kernel
> or configure bootp.
nope. definently not. exploring all the way.
that's the beauty of linux.
> Why can't Linux be a little easier so
> someone new CAN actually sit down, read
> the manual and be up and running in a
> reasonable time period?
is 2 minutes "a reasonable time period" for
an extremely complex system (UNIX deriative)?
Linux was developed as an alternative to other
operating systems of the time (minix to be exact)
It was certainly NOT written to be an alternative
to windows, simply because it's very different.
You just CAN'T expect eg. to download binaries
from one system that has completely different
libraries, includes etc. and have it working within
2 minutes. And believe me, that is NOT going to happen.
You will have to configure, compile, install, etc.
> I know this is going to be like
> pissing into the wind but MS has some
> good stuff in their products . Now,
> granted, most of the really good stuff
> they probably stole from other companies
> either through almost driving them out
> of business and then buying them or
> other similar means. Linux should look
> at Windows and figure out why it is so
> successful and borrow from those
> elements. Obviously, I am not alone in
> my thoughts or KDE wouldn't be so
No comment :-)
> The other day for example, I went to
> install "slashcode 1.0.9.tar.gz". Well,
> I was able to figure out how to get it
> installed by reading the directions but
> it took me about 30 minutes figuring out
> the TAR and GZIP switches and formats
> before I was done and was able to move
> on to reading the configuration
> instructions. In the windows world, it
> would have been about 2 minutes to do
> the same task. Pretty much click on the
> file to download, it would download and
> launch the install EXE, it would prompt
> you for an install directory, you click
> OK and your done.
I don't know what slashcode is, but by reading
below about php/mySQL/etc I figure that it's
something that concerns administrators. Would
you get an NT/2000 box and complain to MS because
you are new to NT/200 and couldn't configure a
datacenter within "a reasonable time period"?
I don't think so...
> After reading the "slashcode"
> installation instructions and going out
> to the support website to read the
> horror stories from other "GURU's"
> trying to install this version on RedHat
> version 7.0 like I have, I decided to
> give it a try but after about 2 days of
> reading and other varios issues I am
> still not up and running. The straw
> that broke my camel's back was a message
> from a guru guy that he did this and did
> that and it still wouldn't work, so on a
> whim, he went back and re-did something
> completely unrelated and all of a sudden
> it worked but he couldn't explain how or
I do have a strong suspicion that it may seem
unrelated to you, but it is actually quite related.
I mean, it did work :-)
> At this point, I have completely given
> up on Slashcode 1.0.9. This is because
> in order to install "slashcode" I need
> to read about 2 weeks worth of MySQL,
> PHP, Perl and other related
> documentation. If this had been a
> Windows program, I imagine it would have
> been configured and running within
> another 2 minutes of my initial
One suggestion: keep trying. You WILL make
it eventually .these are my 2c.
> I for one certainly wish Linux was a
> little more user friendly. I have a new
> saying: Linux guys have forgotten more
> then Windows guys ever knew.
Wanna share your wisdom-of-the-day(TM) with us?
> Is it a good thing to know how every
> detail works. I get in my car and drive
> it every day but I am not exactly sure
> how the software within my car's
> computer is precisely configured. I
> turn the key and it starts. I put it in
> gear and it drives. I step on the brake
> and it stops. I am happy.
The point is getting the right car for the right
work to do. if you just want a car to get to work
just buy a Mercedes (I hate 'em). It's reliable,
it's safe and VERY expensive
Or, if you're a real fruit case (like me, LOL) ,you
can actually GET what you describe below:
> In a "conceited Linux guru" world, our
> cars would all be delivered in boxes of
> parts with a note reading RTFM.
> Step 13003: Set fuel mixture
> Step 13004: Set idle appropriately
> Step 13005: Set timing appropriately
these are called kit cars, most are made in
England, and are pretty kewl. No, it's NOT
that hard to put them together :-)
> Well, at least in that world, polution
> from automobiles wouldn't be a big
They pollute as hell
Always in good faith and humor spirit