> I don't buy that. Rape and violence
> towards women existed long before porn,
> and it was considered more societally
> acceptable before the advent of
> photographs or videos of naked women.
> I respect your right not to
> participate in porn, or to view it or to
> condone it. Some adults, however, don't
> share your feelings and choose to make
> money by letting people take photos of
> them naked...they have a right to do
> that, even if you do feel that it's
> morally wrong.
> I also note that you fixate on women
> in porn. Do you approve of men posing
> naked, or being objectified? I don't
> agree that women are automatically
> objectified by posing naked, that
> argument is a logical fallacy based more
> on emotion than facts.
> Frankly, if you want to stamp out
> something that objectifies and does harm
> to women, get rid of womens' magazines
> that tell women how skinny they need to
> be and how they need to wear makeup to
> "please their man" and TupperWear
> catalogs that only show smiling women
> proud to be happy homemakers displaying
> TupperWear like grinning idiots. If
> you're a feminist, porn is the least of
> your worries. Porn is usually viewed as
> sexual fantasy - most media portrays an
> image of women they're expected to live
> up to 24/7 that causes a huge number of
> women to suffer depression, bulemia,
> anorexia and dozens of other
> media-inflicted psychological disorders.
> Don't belive me? Go to one so-called
> "primative" culture, and you'll still
> find violence and rape - but I challenge
> you to find one case of anorexia or
> clinical depression.
> % So in that context I would say that
> % is perfectly right to view
> % as something "dirty" or
> % "immoral"...
> That's your choice. All I said was
> that I wouldn't shun someone because
> they write code for porn sites, and that
> I personally don't think that porn is
> that bad.
> % If you are happy writing CGI
> % for porn companies then that's
> % choice but you should stop whining
> % not getting approval from all
> % because pornography is in fact not
> % business like any other business.
> This really isn't a reply to my
> comment, it's a reply to the author - I
> don't write CGI, I'm not really a coder.
> I do agree that it's a problem that
> children can easily browse porn on the
> Internet. However, that's almost as much
> fault of the parents - if you have
> children, you need to be able to
> supervise them. I assure you, even young
> boys that don't have Internet
> connections will find some way to look
> at naked women when they start hitting
> puberty - even if it means going to the
> library and digging through the National
> Geographics in hopes of seeing a stray
> nipple. And this is not because they are
> seeking to objectify women, it's
> curiosity and raging hormones.
There are just as many men being "objectified" in the porn biz as women..just "hit" any B/D, S/M, soft core, hard core porn site. and i find mags telling women to look like Calista Flockhart MUCH more disturbing than even a magazine like "Hustler" (Hustler will show "real" shaped women not twigs, and not always the "ideal" of the Texas Cheerleader either).
I'm with Zonker here..true feminists (women in touch w/ themselves and not "manhaters") need to concern themselves more with the media that portrays bodily distortions as "necessary and desireable or you'll never be lovable or happy" than with most porn. (Porn says "go out and get laid", Vogue says "worry about your ass size or you won't get laid"....which one is more damaging to a woman self esteem?)
Re: In case it hasn't been said.
> pr0n is still the thorn in the side of
> many banks
> offering merchant accounts (Look at
> some of the
> penalties handed down due to
> chargebacks! Yikes!)
> but we got it in there first...
Yikes?...that's an understatement ;)
I don't code at work...my coding is for SAG (ya know..[s**ts and giggles]?), anywho I'm a corporate bookkeeper so i get to deal with those chargeback penalties, and they suck! they "generously" give you a whole 2 days to get back to them and prove the charge was good in the first place! (like you can allways get a salesperson to find the documents rapidly..not!)
I've been on line for a long time (my first net accounts were on ARPA and MIL NETs on a green screen cybersystems mainframe [still had its punch card reader, tickertape reader, and teletype attached]) and the FIRST sites to offer CC clearing on the web with https WERE porn sites... so porn does sorta push the envelope on most technologies...bet the first programs for neural interface "games" [if direct neural connection ever comes] will be "first person" action porn!