in my opinion, netscape/mozilla has ALOT of work to do before it can even scratch the surface of IE. while i am an elitest for linux use/development, i am also a developer. creating web applications is by far more easily done with IE because of its functionality, and because it is part of the code for MSwindows making it load overall faster. now dont get me wrong. i give cudos to netscape/mozilla for how far they have come, but for all the holes yet patched in browser's wall it's far easier for me to display a 'works best with IE' logo on my pages than to deal netscape's deficiencies. i've made lists and lists of what IE can do and what netscape &quot;claims&quot; it can handle but doesn't, or takes forever to load. in my opinion there is no browser war at the moment anymore. it's easy for someone who doesn't develop to say 'oh i use linux, and netscape's the best because it's not microsoft' just to be on the anti microsoft bandwagon. netscape/mozilla plain out sucks for development. granted 'if your such a programmer then you would write clean code to make it compliant', and i agree with that, in the sense that i do tend at times to take shortcuts to get projects done faster and i shouldn't but it's all about the money. in this age, it's dog eat dog. if you cant compete because of funding, or development staffing then i believe you shouldn't attempt to be in a war with someone who obviously can. i think netscape/mozilla should step aside, go underground and fix all they lack. then come out and say 'we meet all compliance, and we can perform to meet other available browsers.'. because until you actually use the browser for creation of web applications, you cant really say which is better than the other. only the people who see the bugs day after day because they have to work around them really know which is better, not the average 'joe-shmoe-i-want-an-identity-so-lets-use-something-different-than-everyone-else'