Re: One note, that I think should be cleared up..
> % In regards to..
> % Since when does any of that make a
> % Unix Unix? Last I checked
> % (and I personally own three different
> % versions) DEFINATELY does not come
> % gcc or gdb and doesn't
> % "really" come with cc..
> % is a cc command, but it'll basically
> % tell you it hasn't been installed (a
> % c/c++ compiler does not come with the
> % OS). Most Unixes do not come with a
> % compiler! Most Unixes either do not
> % with X or it is an optional and
> % install (once again, SunOS would be a
> % good example). To say that a REAL
> % would ship with GNU's programs is
> % more wrong.
> Erm... exactly which versions of Solaris
> do you have? Certainly I've found 7,8
> and therefore presumably 9 to install X
> as part of a default install - perhaps
> it's possible to do a minimal install,
> but that's not default IIRC...
> As to GCC and the rest of the GNU tools
> (shutils, etc), Sun DO supply these as
> an extra CD download (certainly for
> Solaris 8), as life with their provided
> utilities is painful, and they know it -
> otherwise, they wouldn't go to the
> trouble of packaging up the GNU tools!
Just looked in my Jaguar CD set.. Yep, there it is, the little grey CD labeled "Developer Tools"
By "doesn't come with gcc" you must mean that if the user chooses to not install them they aren't there... Just like Linux.
If you want to see developer tools done right, get a good OS X developer to demo Interface Builder/ Project Builder.
You will start to hate the GUI tools for Linux.
As for all of the other stuff that comes with your idea of UNIX.. Just get fink from source forge. The Linux stuff comes over quite nicely.
Parting Shot: You compare netinfo with windows registery.. I'll grant it but I have two words for you to ponder. "RPM HELL" You know what I mean, and it is every bit as bad as DLL HELL in the windows world. Only Debian has a foot to stand on with apt-get.
BTW: I run Linux for my servers and OS X for my desktop. Been using UNIX in some form since AT&T on a (3B1?) Whatever that integrated systems was..
No desire to go back to Linux for a desktop.
No desire to develope GUI software for Linux. It just requires too much effort for too little gain compared to OS X.
Why Not InterfaceBuilder/ProjectBuilder
After programming in NeXTSTEP/OpenStep OSX (whatever Steve calls it today)
I judge all IDE's agains Interface Builder and Project Builder and find them wanting.
AFAIK There is nothing even close in the Linux world. The real power of interface
builder is that it used Objective-C's runtime messaging and object serialization to avoid
being a "code barfer" like all of the IDE's in the Linux world. The object you connect to in the IDE
is really the very same object that will be running after you compile..
It really did "just work" and would make a great Open Source project.
I could ramble for hours, but I suggest folks beg/borrow an old 3.3 version NextSTEP intel
and load it long enough to see what a development system could be..
Now back to my GTK programming..