Re: IBM and the holocaust?
> Thank You for pointing out so eloquently
> the bias of big business to succumb to
> the bottom line - period. unfortunately,
My pleasure ...
> you seem to have caused the awakening of
> several ultrasensative and naive people
> who would rather pretend that large
> corporations such as Bayer, Benz,
> Volkswagen, IBM, and even the Swiss
> banks would never encroach upon the
You forgot Krupp, Siemens, ... for goodness sake which industry will NOT have
gained with the war?
> misery of the insignificat and
> downtrodden just to make a few bucks.
A few millions of bucks that is ... getting rich on the misery of others, that's the
biggest game throughout history.
> It humors me when I see that look on
> people's faces - you know, that look of,
> "OH my JeFreakeness Gosh how can this
> be?" - when they are presented with such
> evidences like the fact that the Mengele
> Tool company (Dr. Joseph Mengele)is
> still alive and healthy. That's not the
> funny part at all really. The funny part
> (not funny ha ha either) is that these
> modern day ostriches actually become
> angry with people such as myself, or
> you, for enlightening them to these
> facts. After all, it's not like I had
> anything to do with IBM's profiting from
> the Nazis.
Are children to be blamed for what their parents did or think?
Are ALL the parents to be blamed?
Who is to blame and by whom?
What good will come out the 'if's and when not's.Times were as they were.
History will claim even this war as being past and forgotten.
But if anybody tries to use a pretext of what was happened back then to claim 'there should be a restriction on ...' they are way out of line.
> These same people seem to want to take
> off course, on another tangent, your
> assertion that these big businesses (ie:
> Governments) may have good reason to
> utilize the open source movement to
> further deny basic human rights, or
> stymie the flow of information to the
> members of oppressed societies.
Alfred Nobel invented a safer way to deal with nitroglycerine.
If I translate the starting point of the article, there should have been a restriction on chemistry ...
... because now the military got hold of dynamite as well?Is that it?
> Even as we speak, members of free
> nations already are victimized by the
> silent censorship of available
> information (or worse). It comes in
> various forms, some of it being in the
> form of non-acknowledgement by criminal
> organizations such as ICANN
> (http://www.PacificRoot.com and
> http://www.youcann.here and
> http://www.tldlobby.org), others find -
> or rather, don't find - that their
> information is being filtered by such
> mechanisms as that which your proxy
> server may have been easily adapted. And
> this is in free countries, not the
> nations where people already know they
> are oppressed.
Open source is more then technology.It is more then a mean, it is a idea.
How do you put a restriction on idea's?
> Grrrreat article Bjorn, and very
> observant of you.
> Bradley D. Thornton
> % %
> % % %It was not IBM that
> % % %provided databases but a german
> % % %subcompany of IBM called
> % % "Deutsche
> % % % Hollerith"
> % %
%Why do you have
> % drag in a story like the holocaust
> % the GPL or Open Source idea?What
> does it
> % proof?
> % Every technology can be
> % IT-technology makes no exception, be
> % commercial or not.
Re: IBM and the holocaust?
> %It was not IBM that
> %provided databases but a german
> %subcompany of IBM called
> % Hollerith"
> in fact, ibm is based on this company
> mentioned - they
> simply bought it
...and Elvis lives!
It is more likely that this sort of remarks will do more harm then an open source idea.If you exagerate a little further IBM was co-responsable for the millions of deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... because the calculations of the boms were made possible ...
Databases!IN 1940-45?Maybe a server too?Back in the bunkers of Hitler?
Isn't it horror enough that such things have existed?Why do you have to drag in a story like the holocaust into the GPL or Open Source idea?What does it proof?
Every technology can be missused.The IT-technology makes no exception, be it commercial or not.