Comments for NetGeo IP address locator service interface class

27 Feb 2005 19:03 mlemos

Re: NetGeo is also a pear package


>

> No user account needed to download the

> pear package from pear.php.net

>

It is not the same package and so it does not provide the same features.

27 Feb 2005 18:47 lukehand

Re: NetGeo is also a pear package
fixed link (http://pear.php.net/package/Net_Geo)


27 Feb 2005 18:45 lukehand

NetGeo is also a pear package


No user account needed to download the pear package from pear.php.net

26 Aug 2003 14:04 morriscox

Re: Subscribe?

> I wouldn't expect you to agree. I've
> seen this argument played out elsewhere
> and I don't imagine my feelings on it
> will much matter to you or anyone else
> here. From what I can tell, it's largely
> a "because I can" effort, so I won't get
> into a point-by-point argument of where
> we disagree.
>
> Thankfully, most open source developers,
> and most open source-oriented sites,
> take a completely different approach.
>
> -- jeff


I happen to have a membership at that site. I feel safe enough myself. However, I do see both sides. Jeff, you could create a throwaway account like the author mentioned. That would satisfy both of you and you don't even have to check it. Or you could use it as a spam catcher. You can get free email accounts easily.

06 Oct 2002 02:05 jdonnici

Re: Subscribe?
I wouldn't expect you to agree. I've seen this argument played out elsewhere and I don't imagine my feelings on it will much matter to you or anyone else here. From what I can tell, it's largely a "because I can" effort, so I won't get into a point-by-point argument of where we disagree.

Thankfully, most open source developers, and most open source-oriented sites, take a completely different approach.

-- jeff

05 Oct 2002 21:33 mlemos

Re: Subscribe?

> Why? If I do so, the site is not able to
> count how many distinct users have
> downloaded the class.
>
> It's a meaningless statistic anyway
> because a download can't be equated to a
> "user". Personally, I probably download
> 15-20 different
> classes/procedures/samples for every one
> that I actually ever use in a project.
> If I do use it, I let the author know. I
> suspect that most other developers are
> the same way. I know there are people
> out there who build entire sites with
> nothing but downloaded code, but I don't
> consider that software development.


It may be a meaningless statistic for you but it is certainly not for many authors. The download count is used to compute top download charts that provide further exposure to the user's work.

> Further, there are lots of ways to
> measure downloads without requiring
> everyone to register before they
> download.


Authentication exists so that multiple downloads of the same class by the same user only count once. Only this way it is possible to compute charts that are not easy to be affected by download count fraud.

Each author may let each of their class files be downloaded without requiring authentication. It is not an imposition of the site. Of course, when downloads made by users that are not authenticated those downloads do not count for the statistics because it is not possible to distinguish if it is the same user downloading the same files again or not.

Personally I have no motivation to let classes of mine be downloaded without be accounted. The truth is that most authors think the same way even though it is their option to make the files available for download without requiring login.

> Subscribing does not cost anything.
>
> No, but it's a site that wants my email
> address for a resource that I can


According to the site privacy policy, no e-mail addresses will be disclosed to anybody that has not to due with the site itself.

In 3 years if existence there was no disclosure of subscriber addresses. If there was, certainly you would have heard of complains because many users provide unique addresses that would let them track any address disclosure by the site to anybody else.

If you already decided that you should not trust the site because you do not believe that the people behind the site are honest and will not betray the confidence that their private data of the site subscribers will not be disclosed, there is little that can be done for you.

> typically find elsewhere without having
> to supply give up any contact info.


Of course you are free to pick the software you want from wherever you want. Authors that provide their software in this site are not required to not upload their code elsewhere. However, many authors only upload their code in this site because they find it convinient.

It is the authors decision to upload their code wherever they want because it is their intellectual property and no user is entitled to demand anything about the authors' software, especially when it is being provided for free.

In any case you are free to subscribe to the site and download any classes at will if you agree that is fair. It is entirely your decision to do so.

05 Oct 2002 20:41 jdonnici

Re: Subscribe?
Why? If I do so, the site is not able to count how many distinct users have downloaded the class.

It's a meaningless statistic anyway because a download can't be equated to a "user". Personally, I probably download 15-20 different classes/procedures/samples for every one that I actually ever use in a project. If I do use it, I let the author know. I suspect that most other developers are the same way. I know there are people out there who build entire sites with nothing but downloaded code, but I don't consider that software development.

Further, there are lots of ways to measure downloads without requiring everyone to register before they download.

Subscribing does not cost anything.

No, but it's a site that wants my email address for a resource that I can typically find elsewhere without having to supply give up any contact info.

-- jeff

04 Oct 2002 22:27 mlemos

Re: Subscribe?

> Perhaps you should allow downloading
> this without subscribing.


Why? If I do so, the site is not able to count how many distinct users have downloaded the class.

Subscribing does not cost anything. Also, once you subscribe, the site is able to notify you by e-mail when the class is updated, unless if you do not want to. This way you are kept up to date with the latest changes.

04 Oct 2002 11:59 ivan5242

Subscribe?
Perhaps you should allow downloading this without subscribing.

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