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24 Jul 2005 06:27 tsarkon

Re: Cross-platform video
I have things working with webcam in aMSN right now, the latest CVS version. It has been working for a while now and I'm very pleased with it. However, it had been nice to see it happen on a wider scale and with C or C++ code, GTK+ 2.x or Qt 3 or 4.

It's nice to hear what you're saying about having plans on your own solution for it. I'm sure that, anyone who come up with a complete, easy-to-use working solution for cross-platform (native clients for all the 3 dominating operating systems) video and audio conferencing combined, will make big headlines (especially if it was licensed under either the GPL or the LGPL).

In an ideal world, App|e would ship an application with its operating system that was compatible with such a conferencing system, and then watch M$ and most Linux distributions follow too. They can use their own GUI for each if they want to, but depend on the same standards. That's my proposal ;)

20 Jul 2005 09:29 svartalf

Re: Cross-platform video


> Very sad that cross-platform video seems

> to be nearly impossible (read: complex

> to write), looking at the lack of

> available videoconference tools for

> Linux. Gnomemeeting works with

> Netmeeting yes, but now people insist on

> using instant messengers instead with

> video built in and they aren't

> compatible with Gnomemeeting. Very

> unfortunate that apps like Skype only

> use audio. I think it's time for someone

> to build a open source, cross-platform

> videoconferencing application project

> instead of submitting 300 different CMS

> PHP projects, or 400 reinvention of the

> wheel-editors.

>

> What about attempts to bring the

> Video4Linux2 API forward, more

> widespread? As well as maybe creating

> high-level layers for the H.323 protocol

> code and such. Look at projects like

> MPlayer. Video and multimedia tools are

> killer apps and urged for, especially

> those that are open source. So what are

> we waiting for..?

Well, audio's typically easy- the data format's well understood and it's easy enough to come up with a superior compression/decompression codec that will work realtime. Video, on the other hand, is a different beast. You've got pictures, which admittedly is easy enough again- but you've got motion compensation, etc. combined with that audio that must be synchronized with the video. It's NOT a simple task for a videoconference system. Combine this with not a SINGLE IM system conforming to a single standard for pretty much everything in the first place (Yahoo!'s voice & video chat uses goofball stuff, AOL's voice & video chat uses different goofball stuff...)- the closest thing to "standard" that I've seen would be Xten's SIP based library and Eyeball Networks' competing SIP based library. The main problem with those is that you don't see Linux support (even though they LIST it...) in the apps that use these frameworks and they're not being used by the other players in the game (Never mind that these APIs are probably the best thing yet in the arena of Videoconferencing on personal computers...). Right now, I'm working on my own answers- but I've got so much else on my plate (Trying to make game ports happen for Linux, trying to get a startup company off the ground, etc...) that it may take a while to accomplish this.

30 Mar 2005 01:59 tsarkon

Re: Cross-platform video

> Very sad that cross-platform video seems
> to be nearly impossible (read: complex
> to write), looking at the lack of
> available videoconference tools for
> Linux. Gnomemeeting works with
> Netmeeting yes, but now people insist on
> using instant messengers instead with
> video built in and they aren't
> compatible with Gnomemeeting.


Well forgive me for that, I did notice Farsight (http://farsight.sourceforge.net) just now, looks really good!

30 Mar 2005 01:52 tsarkon

Cross-platform video
Very sad that cross-platform video seems to be nearly impossible (read: complex to write), looking at the lack of available videoconference tools for Linux. Gnomemeeting works with Netmeeting yes, but now people insist on using instant messengers instead with video built in and they aren't compatible with Gnomemeeting. Very unfortunate that apps like Skype only use audio. I think it's time for someone to build a open source, cross-platform videoconferencing application project instead of submitting 300 different CMS PHP projects, or 400 reinvention of the wheel-editors.

What about attempts to bring the Video4Linux2 API forward, more widespread? As well as maybe creating high-level layers for the H.323 protocol code and such. Look at projects like MPlayer. Video and multimedia tools are killer apps and urged for, especially those that are open source. So what are we waiting for..?

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