Comments for Andromeda Streaming Jukebox

16 May 2005 17:26 turnstyle

Re: Cost / License?


> To me 35$ is not too much to ask if it

> included the source and were

> customizable.

>

> I appreciate the hard work Scott put

> into it and it simply rocks.. but not to

> the tune of $35

>

> open it up for customization and I'd pay

> $35

Hey buddaman, fwiw, you can customize Andromeda via an external prefs file. The reason for this appraoch is that I can provide much better support, and when you upgrade, you can keep your settings without having to recode each time.

I should also note that many of Andromeda's features came as suggestions from users -- and if they simply changed their own copy, then nobody else would benefit.

Obviously FM is a free-oriented place, but I've followed a somewhat different route. If $35 is prohibitive, feel free to contact me directly.

-Scott

16 May 2005 16:59 buddaman

Re: Cost / License?
To me 35$ is not too much to ask if it included the source and were customizable.

$35 for a product that simple reads the file structure and spawns off winamp is a bit steep.

I appreciate the hard work Scott put into it and it simply rocks.. but not to the tune of $35

open it up for customization and I'd pay $35

26 Feb 2005 23:28 ziekke

Re: Cost / License?


>

> % With all due respect, I tried a

> % "donationware" appraoch for almost

> two

> % years, and the unfortunate fact is

> that

> % the vast majority of people don't

> % donate. I work on Andromeda

> full-time,

> % and that includes a lot of the

> less-fun

> % stuff like writing docs, answering

> every

> % tech support email, and so on.

>

>

> Boo hoo. Then take your product off the

> market. I just wasted a half-hour of my

> life downloading and installing your

> code, configuring Apache, and trying to

> get andromeda.php to ignore files

> starting with "_". Granted, with a

> little investigation I could have

> determined that Andromeda's "product"

> was a single crippled, unmodifiable PHP

> script. Now I wish I had known that

> before I bothered downloading it.

Why would he take it off the market if there area people willing to pay the (small amount of) money?

This post is coming 6 months from the original comments and obviously it's still getting around.

> % The evaluation version of Andromeda

> is

> % indeed fully functional -- everything

> % works exactly as it does in the full

> % version, except that only half of

> your

> % music is displayed.

>

%

> To use the phrase "fully functional" for

> a "product" whose only feature is

> crippled in the most perplexing way

> imaginable (although I suppose you could

> have just programmed it to ignore random

> files, that would have been slightly

> more confusing) is dishonest. Every

> other file?? Really? I have been a

> software developer for over 10 years,

> and I would have never even considered

> confusing users of a demo product in

> that fashion. If I had discovered this

> handicap on my own, I would have assumed

> it was a bug!

Fully functional is a perfectly fine way to describe it. You can play your music, see, browse, search, do whatever you want. Hiding half the music simply prevents you from using the demo as opposed to the real thing.

What's so confusing about it? It is clearly indicated on the demo download page.

Nobody provides a "Fully Functional" copy of something that isn't handicapped in some form. Most software is restricted to 30-days of use, or has nag screens, etc. Limiting it to view only half of the music is pretty much the only option he has in PHP/ASP. Clearly your "10 years" of "Software Development" "experience" didn't include any form of marketed software.

Though, someone savvy enough (and you say you are a software developer?) could hack the evaluation to work properly, is it really worth it for saving only $35?

> % If the free version worked exacly the

> % same as the pay version, that just

> winds

> % up back in "donationware" territory.

> % Does that really seem so unfair?

>

>

> Look at it this way: I was about to send

> you an email asking how I could modify

> Andromeda.php to ignore files that start

> with "_", along with a $10 Paypal

> donation. Instead, I'm whining on

> Freshmeat.

Boo hoo, then get your whining out of freshmeat. People use this software, and people pay for it. If you don't want to then oh well.

03 Sep 2003 22:30 Xirtam

Andromeda makes it easy
Yep, lov' it.
I played around with the idea to make it more usefull to my needs and made some possible (with help of the cgi-guru Paul from www.hot-cgi-scripts.com)
It isn't finished yet but have a look on http://www.ummagumma.nl/music
I know, it uses iFrames, but that is because had to be used on www.wittebal.nl

An administration-page would be the next thing so I can add audio-files, comments and pics to it on the fly.

Great work Scott!

_/ Rob

20 Aug 2003 14:36 turnstyle

Re: Cost / License?
% Look at it this way: I was about to send
> you an email asking how I could modify
> Andromeda.php to ignore files that start
> with "_", along with a $10 Paypal
> donation. Instead, I'm whining on
> Freshmeat.

Perhaps if you spent a little less time whining, and a little more reading the docs (or simply asking your question via email) you would already know that one of Andromeda's built-in preferences is 'skipPrefix' which you could have simply set to "_".

20 Aug 2003 14:15 jhuebel

Re: Cost / License?
It's only $35 dollars for a Personal Edition license. Isn't it worth $35 considering all the time you save not having to write it yourself?

I used the demo version and ultimately decided I didn't need it. But that doesn't mean it isn't a quality script.

Go ask your mommy for $35, pay the man for his hard work and stop whining.

20 Aug 2003 13:39 mccallcl

Re: Cost / License?

> With all due respect, I tried a
> "donationware" appraoch for almost two
> years, and the unfortunate fact is that
> the vast majority of people don't
> donate. I work on Andromeda full-time,
> and that includes a lot of the less-fun
> stuff like writing docs, answering every
> tech support email, and so on.


Boo hoo. Then take your product off the market. I just wasted a half-hour of my life downloading and installing your code, configuring Apache, and trying to get andromeda.php to ignore files starting with "_". Granted, with a little investigation I could have determined that Andromeda's "product" was a single crippled, unmodifiable PHP script. Now I wish I had known that before I bothered downloading it.


> The evaluation version of Andromeda is
> indeed fully functional -- everything
> works exactly as it does in the full
> version, except that only half of your
> music is displayed.


To use the phrase "fully functional" for a "product" whose only feature is crippled in the most perplexing way imaginable (although I suppose you could have just programmed it to ignore random files, that would have been slightly more confusing) is dishonest. Every other file?? Really? I have been a software developer for over 10 years, and I would have never even considered confusing users of a demo product in that fashion. If I had discovered this handicap on my own, I would have assumed it was a bug!


> If the free version worked exacly the
> same as the pay version, that just winds
> up back in "donationware" territory.
> Does that really seem so unfair?


Look at it this way: I was about to send you an email asking how I could modify Andromeda.php to ignore files that start with "_", along with a $10 Paypal donation. Instead, I'm whining on Freshmeat.

20 Feb 2003 16:57 turnstyle

Re: Cost / License?
With all due respect, I tried a "donationware" appraoch for almost two years, and the unfortunate fact is that the vast majority of people don't donate. I work on Andromeda full-time, and that includes a lot of the less-fun stuff like writing docs, answering every tech support email, and so on.

The evaluation version of Andromeda is indeed fully functional -- everything works exactly as it does in the full version, except that only half of your music is displayed.

If the free version worked exacly the same as the pay version, that just winds up back in "donationware" territory. Does that really seem so unfair?

20 Feb 2003 16:35 fwiffo

Re: Cost / License?

>
> % I just visited the andromeda site
> with
> % the intent of checking it out, but
> % apparently you can no longer download
> a
> % fully functional trial of the
> program,
> % the free download only lets you see
> % every other song in your collection.
> I
> % didn't realize that freshmeat listed
> % software with that type of license.
> Hm.
>
>
> Freshmeat certainly lets developers list
> software licensed as Andromeda is. If
> you're curious, take a look at the types
> of licenses you can chooose from.The
> Andromeda demo is indeed fully
> functional, except that (as you noted)
> every other file is displayed.
>


Displaying every other file is not "fully functional". Thats like saying a car with 3 wheel is fully functional. Hey, it rolls doesnt it. :(

It disappoints me to see someone "only selling" a PHP script. It is nice to acknowledge good work with money, but requiring it turns off a lot of the kind of people who would otherwise use PHP. In other words... it would surprise me greatly if you had many people buy this.

Don't be Microsoft....don't kill the spirit of freeware.

29 Dec 2002 16:18 turnstyle

Re: Cost / License?

> I just visited the andromeda site with
> the intent of checking it out, but
> apparently you can no longer download a
> fully functional trial of the program,
> the free download only lets you see
> every other song in your collection. I
> didn't realize that freshmeat listed
> software with that type of license. Hm.

Freshmeat certainly lets developers list software licensed as Andromeda is. If you're curious, take a look at the types of licenses you can chooose from (http://freshmeat.net/browse/13/?topic_id=13).

The Andromeda demo is indeed fully functional, except that (as you noted) every other file is displayed.

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